Talon MX200

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Additional Options:
  • Advanced Siemens 808D Control
  • Rotary table w/ Siemens Servo Drive
Warranty:
- 1 year on the Talon MX200 Mill
- 3 years on Siemens 808D Control
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Small CNC Bed Mill

Talon MX200

Built-In Production Grade Features
The features on the MX200 provide precision CNC milling capabilities in a small package. Like all AutoMateCNC machines it includes the Siemens 808D CNC Control, servos & drives, and a closed loop system. The MX200 also has quality grade components you would expect to find on a larger production mill. Has heavy cast bed and column with cast base. Value priced with unmatched features.

Includes all these great features:
  • 1) 4 HP Spindle Drive - plenty of power to push through projects.
  • 2) 50-6000 RPM Spindle - ramp up from lowest to highest speed at the push of a button.
  • 3) Servo Spindle Motor - high torque, even at low RPMs - constant torque rise through speed range.  Allows for rigid tapping and spindle positioning.
  • 4) 36" Longer Work Table - Features X axis travel of 21”.
Order the Talon MX200 Bed Mill
And Get These FREE Bonus Items:
Talon MX200 Milling Machine: 
Siemens Control System (with Registration):
  • Additional 1 Year In-Field Warranty from Siemens USA
  • FREE Permanent Copy of Siemens 808D Simulator
  • FREE Access to Siemens USA Webinar Training Series
Fusion 360 CAD/CAM Program:
Price: $17,399.00
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Talon MX200 CNC Mill
Built-In Production Grade Features:

Features the same 6000 RPM servo-driven spindle as the Talon MT300 PRO Mini VMC. Quality features - designed to fit in a small shop setting.

36” extended table and 21” X axis travel – like having a Bridgeport with CNC.  Easy access makes for quicker set-ups and tool changes. Built-in BT-30 pneumatic tool change system adds speed and operator ease.

Heavy castings and cast base help damp vibration. Provides a solid foundation for this small shop production grade machine. Big results in a small shop package.

Used in home shops, education, prototyping, testing labs and production settings.  Priced to match hobby machine prices – with features like the bigger production machines.

Performance Details:
  • Siemens 808D CNC Control
  • Servo Motors/Drives on X/Y/Z
  • Closed Loop - Pro Accuracy
  • 10" x 36" Work Table
  • 4 HP Servo Spindle
  • 50-6000 RPM
  • 350 IPM Feed Rate
  • Pneumatic Tool Change System
  • BT30 Tool Holding System
  • Auto Lube and Coolant Control
  • Heavy Castings w/Cast Stand
Warranty Details:
  • 1 Year on Talon MX200
  • 3 Years on Siemens 808D Control
New Videos:
Talon MX200 Walk Around: Experienced AutoMate CNC technician walks around the MX200 and points out the features and benefits of this tool room bed mill.
MX200 Comparison with Tormach PCNC 1100: Side-by-side comparison showing the differences in features and benefits between the Talon MX200 and the Tormach PCNC 1100.
Talon MX200 Tool Change: Tool changing on the MX200 using the table mounted tool holding rack. Operations using up to four tools are possible.

Talon MX200 Tool Room Mill - Features/Benefits

Milling Machine - Features/Benefits
Extra Long Work Table36” work table. Provides over 21” of X axis travel. Excellent for multiple set-ups. Like having a CNC Bridgeport in your shop.
Fully Supported Precision Ball ScrewsGround P4 ball screw with anti-backlash double ball nut. Supported with bearings on both ends of the ball screw - unlike the competition. This prevents screw whip - increasing accuracy and extending service life.
Counter Weight Balanced Mill HeadReduces stress on Z axis motor and ball screw at higher RPMs. Increases accuracy and extends life of Z axis drive components. A counter balanced mill head will not crash in the event of control failure. More

Other machines on the market opt for the less expensive “chock absorber” option, which is prone to failure. The result being - the mill head still runs the risk of crashing in the event of a power or control system failure.
Precision Dovetail WaysPrecision hardened and ground ways are designed to withstand heavy use and still maintain accuracy. Fully adjustable gibs help keep the machine in top operating form - maximizing accuracy and assuring long service life.
BT-30 Tool Holding SystemIndustry standard CNC tool holding system - the other being the CAT system. We use the BT system because the tooling is cheaper than CAT. Customers have said they want quality tooling at value pricing.
Built-In Pneumatic Tool Change SystemTool changes are made with the push of a button (see video on Overview tab). This built-in system is streamlined and fast - it’s ready to go when you get your machine.
Cast Stand with Coolant Tray And Table EnclosureSturdy stand has built-in coolant recycling tank. Extra room for storage. Chip tray and table enclosure helps contain coolant and chips - safety is fully assured.
Drive System - Features/Benefits
4 HP Servo Spindle DriveServo drive on spindle adds to speed and functionality -- more expensive, but much more accurate and functional than VFD spindle drives more commonly found on competitive CNC mills. Constant torque rise throughout speed range -- capable of rigid tapping and spindle alignment.
50-6000 RPM Spindle SpeedServo driven spindle can ramp up with constant torque from the lowest to highest speed in seconds. No need for the hassle and extra time required to change belts.
350 IPM Feed RatesFaster speeds equals higher production rates. The Siemens 808D industrial control and axis servo drive system provides the power and control that allows for higher speeds - more than twice the speed of competitive systems.
Safety/Operation - Features/Benefits
Automatic Lubrication SystemLubricates all wear points during machine operation at continuous time intervals. Benefits include reduced labor and material costs and significant extension of bearing life.
Programmable Coolant SystemControl coolant at the control panel using standard M-Codes. Proper placement and timing of coolant during machining operations reduces cost and increases machining efficiency. Also increases life of cutting tools.
Work LightFocused lighting elements increase operator efficiency and reduce fatigue. This light is flicker resistant, waterproof, and resistant to both cooling and lubricants. Impact and vibration resistant.
Alarm LightTurns on when control recognizes a machining error or machine malfunction. An operator standing away from the machine is visually alerted the activated alarm light when machining cycle is finished or machine errors out.
Siemens 808D CNC Control - Features/Benefits
Closed Loop SystemSystem directly monitors motor position and velocity in real time. The system then automatically makes corrections to assure correct tool positioning. High accuracy and maximum parts quality ensures a minimal rejection rate. Also assures smoother surface finishes.
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PC based systems on the market generally use an “open loop” system which is not capable of monitoring the drive system. An open loop system can’t make corrections in real time and is inherently less accurate than a closed loop system.
Siemens Servos and DrivesAchieves rapid acceleration and higher speeds - maintains high torque throughout speed range. Motor is highly efficient - it stays cool. Quiet at high speeds and stays vibration free during operation.
Ideal for CNC BeginnersIdeal for entry level CNC users - innovative integrative startGUIDE from Siemens provides an on-line digital help function on every screen. Helpful instructions are available anytime - at a push of a button.
Simple & Intuitive InterfaceWell designed conversational programming functions and wizards, help streamline programming at the control panel. SINUMERIK Operate BASIC function is a standard features on all Siemens 808D controls.
Compact and RobustIndustrial panel design with hardened features is ideal for harsh environments. Small compact design matches smaller machines tools like the AutoMateCNC line.
USB Connector - Easily Handles Large FilesThis unique Siemens function allows for the streaming of large program files direct from a USB. Large files are no longer a concern - other CNC systems lack this robust level of functionality.
Built-In HelpsSeveral Siemens provided “assists” help streamline programming functions. One example would be Hot Keys. With the Hot Key function, machine operators can easily access commonly used screens using operator defined hot keys.
GENERAL SPECIFICATIONS - TALON MX200 BED MILL
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Model NameTalon MX200Talon MT300 PROVMC425
MILLING CAPACITIES
Spindle Nose to Table - Max18.5”17.5”20"
Spindle Nose - Min2.5”2.5”2"
Spindle Center to Column12”12”15"
Machine Repeatability.0004”.0003”.0002"
TRAVELS & FEED RATES
X Axis21”16”17"
Y Axis11.25”11”10"
Z Axis16”15”18"
X-Axis Rapids325 IPM600 IPM1000 IPM
Y-Axis Rapids325 IPM600 IPM1000 IPM
Z-Axis Rapids325 IPM600 IPM1000 IPM
Max. Cutting Speed100 IPM315 IPM315 IPM
TABLE
Length36”32”28"
Width9.5”9.5”12"
T-Slot Width5/8”5/8”5/8"
T-Slot Center Distance2.4”2.4”3.3"
Number of T-Slots333
Max Weight on Table350 Lbs350 Lbs550 Lbs
SPINDLE
Spindle Power4 HP4 HP7.5 HP
RPM Range50-600050-600050-8000
Drive SystemServo/Direct BeltServo/Direct BeltServo/Direct Belt
TaperBT30BT30BT30
TOOL CHANGER
TypeN/ACarouselCarousel
CapacityN/A1210
Max. Tool DiameterN/A4"4”
Max. Tool WeightN/A12 Lbs7 Lbs
Tool-to-ToolN/A1.5 Sec.1.2 Sec.
Chip-to-ChipN/A3 Sec.2 Sec.
WEIGHTS/DIMENSIONS/CAPACITIES
Machine Weight2150 Lbs2820 Lbs4400 Lbs
Machine Dimensions71” x 52” x 82”70” x 65” x 87”81" x 70" x 87"
Shipping Weight2310 Lbs3040 Lbs4620 Lbs
Air for Pneumatics90 PSI90 PSI90 PSI
Coolant Capacity3.75 Gal35 Gal35 Gal
Power (Standard)220V Three Phase Power220V 3 Phase Power220V 3 Phase Power
Amperage Required30 Amp30 Amp40 Amp
GENERAL SPECIFICATIONS - TALON MX200 BED MILL
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Model NameTalon MX200Talon MT300 PROVMC425
MILLING CAPACITIES
Spindle Nose to Table - Max470mm445mm500mm
Spindle Nose - Min64mm64mm50mm
Spindle Center to Column300mm300mm350mm
Machine Repeatability.01mm.007mm.005mm
TRAVELS & FEED RATES
X Axis530mm400mm425mm
Y Axis290mm280mm240mm
Z Axis410mm385mm450mm
X-Axis Rapids9m/m15m/m25m/m
Y-Axis Rapids9m/m15m/m25m/m
Z-Axis Rapids9m/m15m/m25m/m
Max. Cutting Speed2.5m/m8m/m25m/m
TABLE
Length900mm800mm700mm
Width240mm240mm300mm
T-Slot Width16mm16mm16mm
T-Slot Center Distance60mm60mm85mm
Number of T-Slots333
Max Weight on Table160 Kg160 Kg250 Kg
SPINDLE
Spindle Power3.0 kW3.0 kW5.5 kW
RPM Range50-600050-600050-8000
Drive SystemServo/Direct BeltServo/Direct BeltServo/Direct Belt
TaperBT30BT30BT30
TOOL CHANGER
TypeN/ACarouselCarousel
CapacityN/A1210
Max. Tool DiameterN/A100mm100mm
Max. Tool WeightN/A5.5 Kg3 Kg
Tool-to-ToolN/A1.5 Sec.1.2 Sec.
Chip-to-ChipN/A3 Sec.2 Sec.
WEIGHTS/DIMENSIONS/CAPACITIES
Machine Weight900 Kg1000 Kg2000 Kg
Machine Dimensions140cm x 140cm x 200cm152cm x 152cm x 201cm206cm x 178cm x 221cm
Shipping Weight1000 Kg1100 Kg2100 Kg
Air for Pneumatics90 PSI90 PSI90 PSI
Coolant Capacity10 L132 L132L
Power (Standard)220V 3 Phase Power220V 3 Phase Power220V 3 Phase Power
Amperage Required30 Amp30 Amp40 Amp

Siemens Control

AutoMate and Siemens 808D
Small CNC Control Leadership
Detroit Machine Tools - AutoMate is leading the way in the development and support of the Siemens 808D CNC control matched with small industrial machine tools.
DMT has technicians and CNC programmers who are trained and proficient in operating the 808D control. DMT offers training classes and individualized training for AutoMate owners and Siemens 808D operators.
Experienced technicians are available to answer questions and offer technical support for your AutoMate machine with Siemens 808D control.
You can purchase an AutoMate CNC lathe or mill with confidence - knowing you will have the support of an organization with relevant depth and experience. DMT technicians are knowledgeable and commited to your machining success.
SINUMERIK 808D - INTRODUCTION
Features and Facts - Advantages of Siemens 808D
DOWNLOADABLE OFFLINE SIEMENS 808D SIMULATOR
Familiarize yourself with the 808D control.
Proof out existing part files.
Create programs away from the machine.
SIEMENS 808D - TRAINING CLASSES
Training Classes in Ann Arbor, MI


Siemens Webinars
SIEMENS 808D - TRAINING MANUALS
The Sinumerik 808D Programming and Operations Manual
SINUMERIK 808D - BROCHURE
Complete Information on the Siemens 808D CNC Control - Downloadable PDF Brochure
3 YEAR WARRANTY - on the SINUMERIK 808D

Talon MX200 Small CNC Bed Mill

The MX200 model is a real CNC machine? Does it have ball screws?

Yes, this model has C4 grade ball screws built-in on all three axes. This mill was developed in a coordinated effort by Detroit Machine Tools and a respected CNC machine tool designer. The MX200, as with all our CNC mills was built – from the ground up – as aproduction grade CNC mill.

It says this CNC mill has servos. Is that true, even at this low price?

Yes, this mill has servo motors and drives on all three axes. The biggest advantage of servo drives over steppers is the degree of accuracy and repeatability that can be accomplished. 

Other advantages of servos include: Rapid acceleration and higher speeds  2) High torque throughout the speed range 3) High efficiency  4)  Stay cool during long operations  5) Operate at very low noise levels – even at high speeds. Vibration free operation is one important reason for this.

PLUS, it has a closed loop control system?

Yes, this mill control is a closed loop system. A servo-driven closed loop system is significantly more accurate than steppers. A closed loop system sends commands from the control out to the machine and then completes the communication process by sending data back that updates the control as to where the machining process is at any given time. The system directly monitors motor position and velocity in real time.

The system then automatically makes corrections to assure correct tool positioning. This assures high accuracy and maximum parts quality. PLUS, it assures smoother finishes and a reduced reject rate.

It says this mill has a servo driven spindle, what’s the advantage?

Yes, this mill has a servo driven spindle, similar to the type of spindle drive motors used on larger CNC machine tools. A servo driven spindle provides much better torque, and assures constant torque throughout the speed range, even at low RPM.

Servo motors with an encoder are able to continually identify the exact radial location of the spindle shaft. This makes the servo driven spindle capable of rigid tapping, a function that most machine operators will eventually find a need for. The servo also allows for spindle positioning – an important consideration when using live tooling.

What are the dimensions of this mill?

The Talon MX200 CNC mill measures: 71”W X 52”D X 82”H

Can the shielding and sheet metal be removed?

The shielding on the mill is there to provide a safer environment for the operator and to contain coolant and chips. Yes, the shielding can be removed, or modified to match your specific milling application.

Will it machine steel, titanium, stainless, etc.?

Yes, the MX200 will machine all these metals. An important consideration is the proper matching of cutting tool, depth of cut, feed rates, and the speed the spindle is set at. Charts that show the recommended “feeds and speeds” are available and should be considered valuable as source material. Experience is the greatest teacher – it is important to be a little cautious as you get started. In time, as you gain experience and knowledge, you will be able to improve your efficiency of operation and the quality of your results.

So, this mill can rigid tap?

Yes, this mill can be easily programmed to do rigid tapping operations.

You say this mill can operate at 6000 RPM. Is that real, is it a “usable” 6000 RPMs?

Yes, because of the combination of quality spindle, servo drive and Siemens industrial control system, this mill will perform milling operations at a full speed of 6000 RPM. The servo driven spindle can be programmed to perform high torque operations at a low speed of 100 RPMs and then ramp up to full 6000 RPM – without any other required help or mechanical assistance by the operator.

Can this mill be used in production?

Yes, as we noted in early questions, this mill is built from the ground up for production work. The Talon line is designed for lighter production applications than the Raptor line, but it will produce parts accurately and consistently for the life of the machine.

How does it compare to the Talon MT300 PRO?

The MT300 PRO is built on a heavier cast base and has linear guideways for higher speed operations. The MT300 PRO also has a smaller table and “three-fourths“ enclosure for better containment of coolant and chips. The MT300 PRO also has an optional 12 tool automatic tool change system. Having the automatic tool change system, in this case, saves a lot of the operator’s time and labor for high volume manual tool changes. Also, automated tool change operations generally leads to reduced error rates and higher quality results.

How does the MX200 compare to “personal CNC’ mills like the Tormach?

The MX200 is designed and built to be production grade mills, while most “personal CNC” mills are lighter duty and are more similar to old style manual milling machine designs that have been adapted for CNC use.

The differences are significant and can best be explained in this video clip:

Can I set this up myself? Do I need a rigger?

If you have a forklift that has sufficient fork length and load capacity, in addtion to a safety minded and well-trained operator, you should be able to safely remove the mill from the truck it is shipped on and place it at its intended operating location. Some customers rent fork lifts and/or operaters to perform the task. 

Basic instructions for setting up the mill are included in the operations manual. Of course, you can always call us with questions you may have.

What’s the warranty? How does it work?

Talon mills have a one year parts replacement warranty. Detroit Machine Tools will send you the proper replacements parts for parts that prove to be defective.

The Siemens 808D control has a three year “in-field” warranty that is supported by Siemens USA.

How about service, can I do it myself? What if I need technical support?

The expectation is that customers who purchase a CNC machine tool will have the adequate mechanical and electrical know-how to handle service questions as they arise. Naturally, you can call and talk to a DMT technician with questions you have.

If you need technical support beyond telephone, on-line or email support provided by DMT technicians, we can help you find a local technician that is willing to travel to your location to provide assistance at your expense. We may already know of a technician in your area that we have worked with previously.

This mill uses three phase power. Why? Is there an advantage?

The simple answer is that larger horse power machines operate more efficiently when using three phase power.

The advantage of three phase power is that your machines will last longer and operate with higher energy efficiency. Three phase power does not use more electricity than machines using single phase power. This also applies when using a phase converter – The average 10 HP phase converter runs on around 7 cents per hour of electricity.

I don’t have three phase power in my shop, what am I going to do?

The best solution is to use a rotary phase converter, which plugs into a standard 220V plug and converts power from the wall into the three phase power used by the machine.

If you do not have a phase converter yourself, you can purchase a high quality American made phase converter from us at a discounted price.

This is a simple plug and perform solution for the small shop operator. Watch this video to learn more about setting up and using a phase converter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJjCQqtEdFU

This video clip shows the Marton Brothers using phase converters to set up their new machine shop.

Siemens 808D CNC Control

The Siemens 808D is a real deal industrial control?

The Siemens 808D is a fully functional, industrial grade CNC control system that uses software based on the same software used in Siemens' larger, more industrial control systems. The difference is that the 808D is designed to be used on smaller machines.

Machine tools with real production capabilities, like AutoMateCNC machines, are best matched with a control system that has the power and functionality to do real production work, just like the Siemens 808D.

(NOTE - PERSONAL CNC CONTROLS: Mach3 and other “personal CNC” control systems are limited and best applied to hobby applications. Personal CNC systems are not easier to use than an industry standard control system, like the Siemens 808D. Also, the application of personal CNC systems is limited).

All AutoMateCNC machines come standard with the Siemens 808D Basic control, which can be upgraded upon request. Other control options include the Siemens 808D Advanced and Siemens 828D controls. Those that prefer using a Fanuc system can order any of our lathes or mills with a Fanuc Oi Mate TD CNC Control.

It says AutoMateCNC machines have servos. Is that true, even at this low price?

Yes, this mill has servo motors and drives on all three axes. The biggest advantage of servo drives over steppers is the degree of accuracy and repeatability that can be accomplished. 

Other advantages of servos include: Rapid acceleration and higher speeds  2) High torque throughout the speed range 3) High efficiency  4)  Stay cool during long operations  5) Operate at very low noise levels – even at high speeds. Vibration free operation is one important reason for this.

PLUS, it has a closed loop control system?

Yes, this CNC control is a closed loop system. A servo-driven closed loop system is significantly more accurate than steppers. A closed loop system sends commands from the control out to the machine and then completes the communication process by sending data back that updates the control as to where the machining process is at any given time.

The system directly monitors motor position and velocity in real time. The system then automatically makes corrections to assure correct tool positioning. This assures high accuracy and maximum parts quality. PLUS, it assures smoother finishes and a reduced reject rate.

Does the control have conversational programming?

Yes, you can program standing at the control panel using fill-in-the-blank style forms. Each form has a graphic demonstration of the machining process you are programming. Includes standard programming patterns like bolt hole circles, linear rays, full-contour definition, peck drilling, tapping, etc.

Do AutoMateCNC lathes and mills have a servo driven spindle? What’s the advantage?

Yes, all AutoMateCNC machines have a servo driven spindle, similar to the type of spindle drive motors used on larger CNC machine tools. A servo driven spindle provides much better torque, and assures constant torque throughout the speed range, even at low RPM.

Servo motors with an encoder are able to continually identify the exact radial location of the spindle shaft. This makes the servo driven spindle capable of rigid tapping, a function that most machine operators will eventually find a need for. The servo also allows for spindle positioning – an important consideration when using live tooling.

So, the mills can rigid tap?

Yes, AutoMateCNC mills can be easily programmed to do rigid tapping operations.

Does the Siemens 808D handle larger programs well?

Siemens has a unique function that allows for the streaming of large program files direct from a USB. Large files are no longer a concern - other CNC systems lack this robust level of functionality.

Will this CNC Control work with my CAD-CAM system?

Yes, the Siemens 808D control has post processors for all CAD-CAM systems. If you are having a problem we will work with Siemens USA to resolve the issue.

What about training?

When you purchase an AutoMateCNC lathe or mill you receive free tuition (Value $299) to attend a day long basic programming and machine set-up class that we hold at our location in Ann Arbor, MI. Siemens USA also has many training webinars on their website.

I noticed that Siemens has a simulator for the 808C control. Is this helpful?

Yes, definitely. You should take the time to download the FREE Siemens 808D simulator on your computer. Spend some time getting to know the control system. Only with a little experience will you be able to see that the Siemens 808D control is as powerful and easy to use as other industrial CNC control systems on the market.

Many customers continue to use the simulator after they have their machines to develop machining programs while at their computer, rather than at the control panel. Once programs have been written and tested they can be easily transferred to the machine control via USB drive.

Shipping Information

Shipping

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Forklift Requirements
  • The length of forks on your machine must be a minimum of 6' long.
  • The lifting capacity must be greater than the weight of the machine you are purchasing.
Air Ride Delivery
Standard Delivery
Standard Delivery
(Forklift and Loading Dock) This delivery method is a standard Less Than Truckload shipment meant for a location that has a fork lift with a minimum of 6' forks and a lifting capacity greater than that of the machine being purchased. You must also have a loading dock capable of driving your forklift onto the truck. If you're unsure of your personnel or fork lift's capabilities, please contact a local rigger for assistance.
Flatbed Delivery
Flatbed Delivery
 
Forklift without loading dock: this delivery method enables your machine to be shipped to your location and removed from the truck by a forklift (with 6’ forks) driving at ground level. Your locatin must be truck/trailer accessible. It is a standard open trailer flatbed truck. Machines are crated and covered with a tarp.
Air Ride Delivery
Air Ride Delivery
Air Ride Delivery
Forklift with or without loading dock: this delivery method is an upgraded package that transports your machine on a trailer using an air ride suspension system ensuring the delivery of your machine delicately and safely to its destination.
If you do not have a forklift or a loading dock, we'd be happy to discuss alternative options with you. Call us at 1-800-476-4849 and speak with one of our representatives to discuss the logistical solution best suited for you.
Shipping to Canada
We use a variety of transport companies for Canadian shipments to ensure you the best possible rates when going across the border. We offer two different options when dealing with customs, duties and taxes going into Canada. The first option is to act as your own servicing agent, we'll sell you the machine, but contacting a broker and paying duties, taxes and fees is up to you. The second option would be an all inclusive package where we take care of everything for you, your job is to prepare to receive the machine when delivered.
International Shipping
For our international shipments we use Mid-America Overseas. We will quote and ship to the port nearest you, forwarding from the port to your door will be your responsibility. You must provide valid contact information and a ship-to address to obtain a quote.

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